Plans collapse for Britain's biggest mosque in London

Discussion in 'Global Affairs' started by Ismail Ibrahim, Jan 18, 2010.

  1. Ismail Ibrahim

    Ismail Ibrahim Formerly Harris Hammam

    Plans to build Britain's biggest mosque in east London have collapsed.


    The Islamic missionary group Tablighi Jamaat wanted to create a place of worship close to the Olympic site which could have accommodated 12,000 people.


    Newham Council said planning permission for land in Abbey Mills expired in 2006 and a January deadline for the group to come up with a masterplan had passed.


    Tablighi Jamaat, which has not been available for comment, has been told to leave the Abbey Mills site this week.



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    It has been operating an illegal temporary mosque at Abbey Mills, which is just south of the London 2012 Olympics site in Stratford.


    There was strong opposition when the group unveiled its plans for the 7.3-hectare (18-acre) site.


    More than 48,000 people petitioned the government to prevent it.
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    A Newham Council spokesperson said: "Temporary planning permission expired on 31 October 2006 and any operations since then have been unlawful.


    "The [Tablighi Jamaat] Trust was given until January to submit a masterplan for the site, although failed to meet this deadline."


    The spokesman explained that the group had been given until Thursday to leave the land or the council would bring about "formal enforcement action".


    He added: "The council will then look at a number of options open to it, which includes the possibility of using compulsory purchase powers.


    "However, taking ownership of the land is not currently a consideration."

    'Unfair coverage'
    A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain said: "We would hope that they will be able to work in co-operation with the local council if they wish to set up a mosque in the area.


    "Tablighi Jamaat has no ties to terrorism. They have been subjected to some unfair coverage."


    Another Muslim group, Minhaj-ul-Quran International UK, said the mosque should have been a community project rather than a proposal by an individual group.


    A spokesman, Shahid Mursaleen, said "If the mosque is built with the consensus of the community then it will appeal to people of different faiths instead of just for Muslims.


    "We urge the Newham community to unite and support this as a 'community project' so that it can be ready for 2012."



    BBC News - Plans collapse for Britain's biggest mosque in London


    May Allah protect Islam.
     
  2. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    maybe it was a project just to big for anyone group of Muslims in London community to take on,the millions in building costs,planners fees,health and safety etc,etc in a building that size is astronomical..

    May Allah make it easy for the brothers and reward them for their good intentions,ameen...
     
  3. goliathvsdavid

    goliathvsdavid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    that place would have been like the islamic glastonbury festival with thousands of tablighees all camped out wit sleepin bags in the masjid goin knockin on peoples doors.

    I'm not sure if this was a major loss to be honest, who needs a tablighee masjid. Does the area have adequate masajid already? Or would it have helped islamic expansion in london?

    The only good things tablighee do is 1 call even more misguided people like barelwi, qadyani etc closer to the deen, 2 wake up the fasiqeen 3 the taribiyah is not oozing bad as they cultivate fairly good islamic manners
     
  4. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    from what I remember it would have made a difference as its quite run down on them sides,no offense to anyone over there...


    I know salafis aren't to down with TJ's,but there are 3'c you will benefit from on Tabligh,they are Company,Curry and Coca Cola,what sane man can refuse such an offer?....

    and no I have never been on jammat,but mashAllah they fed me good,many a time....
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2010
  5. Scented Blood

    Scented Blood Abu Peanut

    Still a nice place with nice brothers.
     
  6. Logic lover

    Logic lover Well-Known Member

    It is a sad news. Look at the reaction of the group associated with grave worshippers (Minhaj ul Quran). They want a place for all faiths - the hypocrisy has come out open.

    Look at the reasoning of 'goliathdavid'. You really think highly of yourself - it seems. There no concept like 'Islamic' Glastonbury festival and the Tabligis don't engage in anything like singing and dancing like the Sufis. The Tabligi brothers are more caring than the 'Saudi Salafis' and I am more at home with them.
     
  7. Scented Blood

    Scented Blood Abu Peanut

    In all honesty bro i am not upset as it is a really nice place. Its really simple and Ive had many a good time just quietly sitting and reading in there.

    With big places come big expectations and it would really have put me off seeing ol prince charles in there giving a talk!

    Currently there is more then enough room in there and for Jummah it is not used to even a 3rd of its capacity.

    Work needs to be done to it to improve some of the facilities though.
     
  8. heart4allah

    heart4allah New Member

    few points to clarify, first of all the proposed building was never really designed or planned by the Marakaz brothers and they were never planning to go ahead with that type of structure. Instead the plan is always to keep it simple.

    And this news that BBC and the Times are reporting is actually not accurate. Markaz will remain open as usual. The council will not evict anyone as there is an appeal in progress.
     
  9. Abu S

    Abu S New Member

    It's a nice masjid, I used to work for a short while in the office block just 50 metres away from it. On thursday nights they have about 1000 brothers going there for a talk and a very nice munch afterwards. Inshaa'allah the masjid will stay.
     
  10. Ibn malik

    Ibn malik New Member

    I'm guessing their going out to call people to the way of Allah is of no use as their not knowledgeable, right? They should organise big conferences with big 'name brand' shuyookh to come who demand a 5 star hotel accomodation and a couple thousand pounds to cover their 'da'wa' work...

    Wallahi these brothers who leave their homes and sleep on the grounds in the houses of Allah, only to wake up and carry on calling people to return to Allah, are better than any celebrity shaykh who refuses to attend unless his room in the hilton is pre-booked as well as his cheque pre-cleared.
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2010
  11. goliathvsdavid

    goliathvsdavid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    whether or not the tablighee jama'ah make us feel good is irrelevant. Your reacting on emotion and intellect. Even the hindus organise food and sit and have fun. This doesn't mean they are upon khair. The things being taught have to be correct in order for any dawah movement to be beneficial for the ummah. Why do you think the ottomans fell. Because of their dodgey state sufism and deviance.

    If an area has very few muslims then this masjid would have been good as it would essentially be expanding into new territory, obviously we look to expand over the uk as much as possible and if u build a new masjid people will move their and another 'ethnic ghetto' is created for us reverts to move to :)

    the tablighee jama'ah are also quite good at educating backwards hindis about their religion and tackling the barelwi tactic of praying on the illiterate. So I support tablighee dawah in an area full of barelwis too.

    But an ethnic area full of shia, sufi, barelwi, deobandi etc then the only thing needed is a salafi masjid or failing that an ahlul hadith masjid. Because ultimately it is correct deen that will make the ummah strong.

    Sufis who sing and dance can be as friendly and passionate about the deen as they wish, they are still unbenefivial for the ummah and I would not support them.

    We are in agreement that tablighee jama'ah are good for curry though. I've sat with them before, I enjoyed their company and they gave me a thobe and was very nice so they appealed to my hawa (desires) but they were teaching that's its ok to put qur'an round ur neck to protect you from evil and other things too which are displeasing to allah swt and were baatil which is more of an issue than their pleasant company. Nontheless I am currently studyIng different sects to understand the ummah better and inshallah I intend to go on jama'ah in order to better understand the tablighees and understand their arguements and to be sure whatever sect I choose is the correct one. I've even been to see the shia on ashura and I'm planning to visit barewli and qadiyani inshallah and study them and know then well in order to understand the state that the ummah is in.

    I'm pretty sure athari aqeedah is the haqh though so ill only supprt this dawah financially, verbally with dawah etc.

    I'm planning to visit this proposed super masjid this week inahallah to see the situation there
     
  12. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    Agreed...
     
  13. Logic lover

    Logic lover Well-Known Member

    We have come to know of the Ahlul Hadith Masjid Tawhid in Leyton and their 'Imam' the secularist Osama Hasan. What does it say about praying behind an apostate in a Masjid with 'correct aqeedah'?
     
  14. goliathvsdavid

    goliathvsdavid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    How can you have an apostate with correct aqeedah, that's a contradiction in terms.

    I don't know of this individual or what his supposed kufr is so I can't comment. All I know is that athari aqeedah is the most important thing to spread at the moment
     
  15. Logic lover

    Logic lover Well-Known Member

    If you did not know, Usama Hasan - the son of Sheikh Hasan is a part-time Imam in that 'Salafi' Masjid. He is being allowed to lead prayers there despite his father issuing a fatwa against the secularist organisation 'Quilliam Foundation' of which his son is an advisor. Usama Hasan himself is a self-confessed person who does not think hijab is obligatory and that Islamic law must not be part of running a state.
     
  16. goliathvsdavid

    goliathvsdavid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    then this masjid you speak of is not salafi and they do not have correct aqeedah.

    perhaps you are refferring to jamiah ahlul hadith in the subcontinent. They appear to have a presence in the uk.

    I was unaware of their link with quillam foundation. This organisation is known for its heresy. if what you say is true, this zindeeq commits kufr akbar and I would not pray behind him. If I was a scholar of the islamic state I would put a fatwa on his head.

    Green lane in birmingHam has links with this also. I thought you brothers defended green lane from refutation
     
  17. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    Actually Sh.Suhaib Hassan is a former student of Ibn Baz(r) who also funded the masjid,they are salafi in aqeedah and most folks accept it,whats hard to accept is the many contradictions among the group and I say that as in all inclusive of Spubs,Green lane,Jimas,etc,etc...
     
  18. goliathvsdavid

    goliathvsdavid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    what contradictions? Spubs and greenlane are two different opposing masajid.

    If I can learn from either of those masajid then where the hell am I spose to learn my deen to given that I eont have anything to do wit barelwi, ahmadiyah, deobandi etc
     
  19. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    that was my point i.e the infighting salafi gulag,its kinda of never ending,me fears...
     
  20. Logic lover

    Logic lover Well-Known Member

    No Muslim learns his deen from a place associated with 'hell'. Such expression shows an element of frustration on your part and is not suited for a Muslim. My advise to you is not to be too concerned about following this particular group mentality. Instead, learn your Islam from classical books (some of which have been translated into English)if you do not trust a scholar living around you.
     

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