Somali rebels order WFP to halt relief food imports

Discussion in 'Global Affairs' started by Truth4, Nov 25, 2009.

  1. Truth4

    Truth4 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    I don't know if Al Shabab has realized that Somalia has been suffering from drought for a long time, it's an arid country you know, and that it isn't exactly the bread basket of Africa you know.... Also most of the farming in Somalia is subsidence farming....and won't be able to feed half the country any time soon.
     
  2. Father J

    Father J <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    This issue about hunger has been a sham from the beginning. You can read U.S. military literature for yourself and you'll find them complaining that all of this food aid was good directly into the hands of the warlords since the fall of the government. The "aid" was only aiding the continuance of the tribal wars.

    Things have not changed much since then, except that the violence involved in the sham has decreased. Even today you can find people making deals with their tribe members in the NGOs to get exclusive rights over the "aid" in order to sell it to others had a higher price (i.e. higher than the price of paying off the NGO official because the "aid" is supposed to be free)

    Its worse than that.

    The grain storages are always full year round in Bu'aale and Jamaame and what have you. But why is it that the grain is only passed out in huge quantities at the time of the annual harvest??

    This tactic is an obvious attempt to keep the Somali economy from growing. The Kuffaar are directly supporting the continuation of backwardness (via the warlord run "blackmarket" system/ survival of the vilest).

    The Kuffaar themselves realized that they had gotten themselves into a mess and they had contributed to the rise of the Islaamic threat in the horn of Africa. The place they had intended to craft into a Crusader base looking out towards the Middle East and Asia became in actuality a base for the Mujaahidiin.

    Therefore, they came to the conclusion that they can only allow for 2 possibilities: 1) the establishment of a puppet government or 2) the continuance of the chaos (with no government/ especially not an Islaamic one)

    Both of these missions eventually failed, and they were forced to choose a hybrid of the two. They now have a pseudo-Islaamic puppet government that swims in an ocean of chaos next to a more powerful and growing true-Islaamic government.

    Now I think the use of the WFP tactics is to try to gain support for anything that has a blue UN flag on it (to destroy the basis of al-walaa' and al-baraa' and to hide the fact that they are the true enemy) and to harm any support for the Shabaab who are controlling most of southern Somalia.

    This is a very evil and conniving form of psychological warfare that most Kuffaar feel is necessary to win the hearts and minds of the Muslims. The Kuffaar have admitted that one of the lessons learned in Somalia is that they can not control it without first controlling the minds of the Somali people.

    As for the drought and the hunger:

    Just go get a map and look at some pictures of the Jubba Valley and the Shabelle River. Take a look at Afgoye, Jowhar, Jilib, Kamsuma, Jamaame, Janaale, Qoriyoole, Sablaale, and so forth. Your joke about being the bread basket shows that you are either an ignoramus of great proportions or that you have become an agent for the Kuffaar who try to spread this mentality.

    The Muslims are completely capable of being self-sufficient if the Kuffaar would keep their grimy najis hands out of our affairs.
     
  3. Muwaahid

    Muwaahid I disbelieve in disbelief

    Its true that this food aid doesnt reach the people its supposed to. And besides, how can truth4 say that half the country eats WFP food! You guy whats wrong with you? Not even 10% according to WFP themselves. Stop lying to us straight at our faces.
     
  4. Truth4

    Truth4 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    I said half the country is starving and is in need of aid. It's easy for you to undermine the Somali people because firstly you're not Somali nor do you live in Somalia.
     
  5. Muwaahid

    Muwaahid I disbelieve in disbelief

    Xataa aniga? Xayawaan yahow adaan soomaali aheyn kalab yahow laga kalabsanen. Anyway how are you opposite of undermining somalia by posting stuff here? Look we are not besha calamka ( international KOMMMUNITY--- this is how he pronounces it LOL). Even if you say 95% is starving you wont get a dime from us. You were thinking we would put money in your account through PayPal didnt you?
     
  6. The main point of the demand of ash-Shabaab is that the WFP undermines the local economy by importing food and dumping it on the markets.

    There are laws against doing so in every developed country.

    Somali farmers have no where to sell their harvest if every season at harvest time big sacks of WFP rice, sugar, flour and other foodstuffs is simply trucked in and sold just under the cost of production for local farmers.

    Whether or not it's the WFP or the local warlords who benefit from this system, there is no doubt that the Somali economy does not, and I for one am very impressed that ash-Shabaab has gained enough control and has the maturity and understanding to realize this weakness promoted by the UN and the puppet regime.

    Just like in 'Iraaq, Cuba, 'Afghanistan and other places- the world's governments like to impose poverty on nations in order to coerce them...
     
  7. Intoodeep

    Intoodeep Banned

    What about the poor and zakat eligible?

    why not allow the WFP to send aid but then control it and give it to those who truly need it?
    Its important to establish a righteous example that others will want to emulate. Hopefully if they can do this then the populations of the rest of somalia will start to support the shabaab and demand that they too come under the shade of sharia-based government.
     
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2009
  8. Truth4

    Truth4 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Abu Jihad-

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mso-para-margin-right:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} </style> <![endif]--> It’s easy to tell the Somali people to stop accepting food aid when you’re sitting at your computer with a FULL stomach. I can say with 100% honesty that my life, the lives of millions of my countrymen were saved by the direct intervention of the U.N and the United States. It's biggest donor. The U.S may have a lot of flaws, but it has shown more humanity and compassion than any other superpower in the history of the world.

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  9. Muwaahid

    Muwaahid I disbelieve in disbelief

    Thats true, truth4. But nothing is for free. You get food aid, they get something else. Or are you that naive to think otherwise?
     
  10. Muwaahid

    Muwaahid I disbelieve in disbelief

    truth4, did you used to live in utanga refugee campl LOL. Thank God I never lived in a refugee camp. God surely has favoured me, all praise be to him.
     
  11. Intoodeep

    Intoodeep Banned

    the US also is at war against islam. They are formenting trouble in somalia to prevent an islamic state arising. they are on the one hand responsible for a lot of this chaos, then they offer food to win over the populance.

    Are you that stupid or just completely naive.

    read wikileaks even today and you will see that it was them who urged ethiopia to invade.
     
  12. Truth4

    Truth4 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Are you living in Somalia? No.

    You, sir, are then a refugee. And only because of the refugee conventions signed in the UNITED NATIONS were you allowed to flee the civil war and seek sanctuary elsewhere.
     
  13. at-taqwa

    at-taqwa New Member

    I compleetly agree akhee kareem
    This tactic has been planned & is playing out as Obama has even decreased the Humatarian Aid to Somalia, using the pretext of not being sure whether it can fall in into teh hand of Al-Shabaab.
    Alhamdullilah they are doing this, because the kuffar are well aware that the Shariif Goverment will sooner or later fall.
    Let them plan, as far as I know, all Foreign Policies towards Somalia, failed, so insha'Allah, the next conspiracy will also fail.

    was salaam
     
  14. Muwaahid

    Muwaahid I disbelieve in disbelief

    I dont live as a qaxooti( refugee) like you. I am an expatriate. There is a difference.
     
  15. Truth4

    Truth4 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Typical farax ignorance/arrogance lol.

    So what visa are you on, Mr. expat? I-94?
     
  16. at-taqwa

    at-taqwa New Member

    Forget USA, now Russia wants to suffer from the 'Blackhawk Down Syndrome'
    Russia to NATO: Let’s Invade Somalia
    November 20, 2008
     
  17. Muwaahid

    Muwaahid I disbelieve in disbelief

    Wallahi its you who is ignorant*arrogant= Jaahil Murakkab. I am not a qaxooti( refugee) like you are. Just because I stay in another country that is not my homeland doesnt mean I have to be an asylum seeker. I have more to be proud of than you, my confused friend.
     
  18. Truth4

    Truth4 <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Stop being so proud. Especially when your pride is nothing but your delusional lies. Asylum seeker or not...You're in the west seeking sanctuary from the war in Somalia.
     
  19. Father J

    Father J <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    actually when I wrote that post I was fasting and extremely hungry...

    secondly, I am a Somaali and I haven't really seen too many of them running around and dropping down from hunger.

    so you can keep trying to pull the "I'm a Somaali" ticket to impress the people on the forum (or to attempt to do so) but there are enough Somaalis here to realize that you are nothing more than a dhuso!

    iska bax!
     
  20. Muwaahid

    Muwaahid I disbelieve in disbelief

    LOL@ the above post. Dhuso is better than him. He is a ban lol. Truth4 im not qaxooti how many times do I have to say it?

    The only real famine that happened was 90-91 in Bay and Bakol region and it wasnt lack of rain but wars.
    The siyad barre army looted the place on their flight from mogadishu. Then again, on their counter attack. Then the USC looted it when they were chasing siyaad barre, and again on the counter attack.
    Those guys didnt have a lot of stability untill they had their own warlords. Then that caused internal strife.....
    That caused the famine and not somalia being arid. Somalia has 90,000 km square worth of arable land and they only use a few thousand kilometres. So use your little brain and calculate how much food that land can grow. Given the fact that somalis are only 8 million, where is the food shortage?
     

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