Announcement Swiss Minaret Ban Spills Over Europe

Discussion in 'Global Affairs' started by Abu'Aaminah, Nov 30, 2009.

  1. Abu'Aaminah

    Abu'Aaminah Well-Known Member

    Swiss Minaret Ban Spills Over Europe

    CAIRO – A Swiss ban on the construction of mosque minarets is echoing across Europe, with calls in the Netherlands, Belgium and Italy for referendums to ban the Muslim symbol.

    "We will call upon the government to make a similar referendum possible in the Netherlands," Geert Wilders, the leader of the far-right Dutch Freedom Party, told Volkskrant daily Monday, November 30.

    Swiss voters backed Sunday a referendum initiated by the far-right Swiss People's Party (SVP) to ban the building of new minarets in the country.

    The referendum was forced under Swiss regulations after the SVP collected 100,000 signatures within 18 months from eligible voters to ban the minarets.

    The party claims that minarets are a symbol of Shari`ah and are thus incompatible with the Swiss legal system.

    "It's the first time that people in Europe have stood up to a form of Islamisation,” said Wilders.

    “What can be done in Switzerland, can be done here."

    Wilders, a far-right lawmaker, is notorious for his attacks against Islam and Muslims.

    He released in March 2008 a 15-minute documentary, entitled "Fitna" or sedition in Arabic, accusing the Noble Qur'an of inciting violence.

    The documentary drew international condemnation and was blasted by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon as "offensively anti-Islamic".

    Wilders had also called for banning the Muslim holy book, describing it as "fascist."

    He has also called for a halt to immigration from Muslim countries and a ban on the construction of mosques in the Netherlands.

    No to Minarets

    In Belgium, the right-wing Vlaams Belang said it would submit a decree to the Flemish regional parliament to ban minarets in the country, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).

    The far-right party said the minarets “damage their surroundings' existing cultural identity."

    The anti-immigrant Northern League also called for minaret ban in Italy.

    "Switzerland is sending us a clear signal: yes to bell towers, no to minarets," League member and minister of administrative simplification Roberto Calderoli said.

    "The flag of a courageous Switzerland which wants to remain Christian is flying over a near-Islamised Europe," added Mario Borghezio, a Euro-MP for the Northern League.

    The Northern League is widely accused of racism with many critics calling it the BNP of Italy, a reference to the British right-wing party.

    Its election campaign played on issues such as immigration, crime and economic and cultural fears from immigration.

    Portraying itself as a defender of Italy's Christian roots, it started its mission in Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi’s new government in May 2008 with bringing down a mosque in the northern city of Verona.

    Last year, the League rejoiced the success of its campaign to halt the building of a mosque in the northern city of Bologna.

    Last year, League MP Mario Borghezio burst into a church in the northern city of Genoa shouting anti-Islam statements.

    Swiss Minaret Ban Spills Over Europe - - News
  2. Tisatashar

    Tisatashar <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    O you who have believed, do not take as intimates those other than yourselves, for they will not spare you [any] ruin. They wish you would have hardship. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater. We have certainly made clear to you the signs, if you will use reason. 3.118

  3. Umm Ahmed

    Umm Ahmed 2C oursels as ithers C us

    And they say they are not at war with Islaam.
  4. Apathy

    Apathy <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    What is so special about having a minaret?

    Is it not prohibited to build a extravagant masjid?

    Will a masjid not be considered a masjid if it has no minaret?

    Does anyone have any evidences on this issue?
  5. I think this is good news, it can help further Islamise Europe
  6. huehuecoyotl

    huehuecoyotl A Simple Kind of Man

    Wow people are dumb. We are afraid of Islamic extremism ( or whatever), let's ban shaping concrete in a certain way!!!!
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2009
  7. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    We are from Europe,so please forgive our trust of anything foreign..

    Scenario goes,Black Man(All Scream with angst!)

    Hmmm,Enslave Him?(They All Screamed $$$$$$ Yaaa!!!)

    We are from Europe and history bares witness......
  8. Janah_bird

    Janah_bird New Member

    For 4 minarets only! This is just old-europe style xenophobia

    boycott list?
  9. huehuecoyotl

    huehuecoyotl A Simple Kind of Man

    This isn't really unique to Europe or a lot of other places, in fact. I was more scornful or the apparent disconnect between banning shaping concrete in the shape of a minaret and somehow stopping "extemist" islam ( or whatever they are afraid of).
  10. Tisatashar

    Tisatashar <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    It's NOT about minarets.

    It's about Climate Change.

  11. Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari

    Abu Abdallah al-Bulghari <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    The only architecture this stinking filthy Kaafir country deserves is a parking lot.
  12. Salsabil

    Salsabil Pro-Tawheed

    by the way, as far as I know, these minarets only came about later on after the Prophet (s.a.s.) just as the crescent and a star "symbol" of Islam. I personally think that these minarets are a waste of building materials, which could be used for expanding the masjid, we have loudspeakers after all, and minarets were used so that azan would be heard further away.
  13. Logic lover

    Logic lover Well-Known Member

    Minarets might have come at a later date, but it is part of the Islamic tradition to have a Minar as part to the Masjid architecture. It is not a symbol of Islam and hence not an innoovation. In that sense, religiously it is not unjustified to have a minar. As for cost-efficency, one could say a lot of things about other traditions and customs related to buliding masajid.

    The issue is, will Muslims accept this Swiss decision with submission whilst only their religion is targeted to the exclusion of others? Don't forget the Swiss has not questioned the validity of Minarette (whether it is really Islamic or not or whether it is cost-efficient). Rather, their decision is directly related to their rejection of Islamic presence in Switzerland.
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2009
  14. havocas

    havocas New Member

    who cares about the minarets, if you want a minerat go live in an islamic country!
  15. huehuecoyotl

    huehuecoyotl A Simple Kind of Man

    The issue isn't with the minarets at all. As already posted the Swiss took no issue with the height or practicality of minarets. Minarets are just a symbol of something else to the Swiss. They used it as a symbol of their fear/rejection what they say is Islamic "extremism". Some would say their fear/rejection of Islam itself in their lands.

    So even though I am not a Muslim, I would take offense to this for the reasons already mentioned. Not because I like minarets or even think they serve a practical purpose because they don't for me personally, but because the ban singles out a religious group and uses a symbol of their religion as an object to reject their religion for no other purpose but fear.

    But in reality this is one of the pitfalls of democracy. Tyranny by the majority is still tyranny. What about those who voted against the ban of minarets? Shouldn't they be allowed to build them on their lands? Or did their voices not count because they didn't have enough? The issue goes against the natural rights of man espoused in liberalism because if all that is required to taken them away is enough people then they aren't that natural to begin with.

    As another side let us not confuse a passing vote with the will of an entire people. What about those who voted against the ban? Should they be treated equally as those who voted for the ban? Should someone be held accountable for the views of some fictious goverment that pretends to speak the will of the people when all that is required is that 50.1% of those who vote agree?
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2009
  16. Traveler

    Traveler New Member

    Landmark admission. But good going; not many proponents of democracy will admit the 'dark side' of it.
  17. huehuecoyotl

    huehuecoyotl A Simple Kind of Man

    This is true of almost all forms of government but is most notable in democracies because the illusion of granting natural rights, but only by the force of the majority. As you can see in Switzerland there is no "inherent" right in complete equality in democracy, only the power of the ballot.
  18. Tisatashar

    Tisatashar <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Look at these STATS..........

    The referendum, which passed with a clear majority of 57.5 percent of the voters and in 22 of Switzerland’s 26 cantons, was a victory for the right. 22 out of 26. That's 11 of 13. Politicians rarely if ever enjoy these landslides.

    But what's more telling is that 90% of Muslims in Switzerland are Turks, Kosovans & Bosnians. The most integrated, domesticated, kafir copying of all the muslim groups. Turks & Bosnians are unrecognisable. They look like any eastern european. And they're tame & house trained.

    This is just pure hatred emerging. Europeans love feasting on genocide. 2 World wars, Napoleon, Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, 100 years war. For them its kill,kill,kill. Muslims beware. Looks like you're on the menu.
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2009
  19. huehuecoyotl

    huehuecoyotl A Simple Kind of Man

    this is more important than
    this. Populations are uneven so the number of cantons aren't as important as the percentage of population. " Love of one's own" is an easy gambit to play so I'm not really surprised at the results.
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2009
  20. Apathy

    Apathy <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    First you infidels need to know this has nothing to do with 'islamisation' of any sort. Islam is spreading no matter what.

    And muslims need to know minaret are not a islamic thing. This is cultural and should not cry a hue over something insignificant.

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