The difference of Emarat and Islamic State (Khilafah)

Discussion in 'Global Affairs' started by Abu_Jannah, Feb 27, 2010.

  1. Abu_Jannah

    Abu_Jannah Well-Known Member


    I want to know the reasons why HT has rejected the government of the Taliban which was ruled by the shari3a?
    What are their explanations?
  2. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Not sure of the HT stance on the issue, but Afghanistan pre 2002 was never declared an Islamic State, neither did Mullah Umar announce himself to be the Ameer Ul Mumineen.
  3. Abu Saalehah

    Abu Saalehah Well-Known Member

    i dont know about the first, not declaring it an islamic state (kinda thought that was the whole point) but he did declare himself amir ul mumineen, way before 2002. i remember watching state of the ummah years ago when i was new to the deen where obl specifically discusses this issue and states that before there was no islamic state, no amir ul mumineen but no people did not need to be die in a state of not giving bayat.
  4. Abu_Jannah

    Abu_Jannah Well-Known Member

    So before 2002, Afghanistan was Darul Kufr?

    From my little knowledge, HT wanted the Khilafah to be declared not Emarat. That is the whole disagreement.
  5. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    There is a big confusion about this matter. Mullah Umar declared himself Ameer Ul Mumineen of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. Not of the whole world.
  6. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Depends on whether there is evidence for the existence of an Islamic Emirate in the absence of Dar Ul Islam.

    This whole emirate issue is confusing. I am not sure what hinders the Mujahideen from establishing the Islamic Khilafah.
  7. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    Pre 2001 Neither HT,ALM ,Abu Isssa jammat etc did not recognize Afghanistan under Taliban rule as Dar ul Islam,it was the whole "UN" issue.

    tbh it all seems like such a long time ago now...
  8. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    UN issue as well as the Saudi/Pakistani embassies but alhamdulillah Taliban has been purified and are now on the haq.
  9. Abu_Jannah

    Abu_Jannah Well-Known Member

    So if it is not Darul Islam, then it is Darul Kufr and the leader(s) Kafir. So they made the takfir of the leaders?
  10. abumuwahid

    abumuwahid <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    What kind of a question is this?

    Muhammad [saas] was Ameer Ul Mumineen when he lived in Makkah, which was Dar Ul Kufr.
  11. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    You need to ask them about their past and present views,I am not associated with either 3 groups...
    wa salamolaikom wr wb..
  12. Abu_Jannah

    Abu_Jannah Well-Known Member

    I meant by leader, the ruler of the state.
    As far as I know, at the early stage of Islam, there was no Islamic State, that is the reason it was called Darul Kufr.
    My question was specific to Afghanistan.
    Before 2002, there was a government ruled by the taliban who implemented the shari3ah. So why should it be considered Darul Kufr in that case?
  13. Abu Saalehah

    Abu Saalehah Well-Known Member

    Are the Taliban from Ahl as-Sunnah?

    Article Bismillaahir Rahmaanir Raheem

    Based upon the books

    Afghanistan wat-Taliban wa Ma’rikah al-Islam al-Yawm
    “Afghanistan, the Taliban, and the Battle for Islam Today”

    [written in 1998, Kabul, Afghanistan]
    by the Mujahid Shaykh
    Abu Mus’ab ‘Umar ‘Abdul-Hakim as-Suri
    (May Allah preserve him)

    Al-Mizan li Harakati Taliban
    “The Scale for the Taliban Movement”

    [written in 2002, Afghanistan]
    by the Martyred Mujahid Shaykh
    Yusuf ibn Salih al-‘Uyayri
    (May Allah have mercy upon him)

    All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Supreme Throne. And prayers and blessing be showered upon the Last Messenger, and his Companions, and his family.

    Amma Ba’d:

    Those who have diseases in their hearts, the munafiqun and ruwaybidhah, have recently started to call Amir al-Mu’minin al-Mulla Muhammad ‘Umar and the Taliban with vile names. All these accusations revolve around the Taliban and them falling into five matters:

    1) Quburiyyah

    2) Irja’ in Takfir

    3) Sufiyyah and Deobandiyyah

    4) Ta’assub and Taqlid

    5) Joining the United Nations

    If those who had labeled Amir al-Mu’minin as a “Murji’i” had only researched the matter before opening their mouths, which have been proven time and again to actually be ‘mouths of ignorance’- then they would have found the truth regarding this matter. But Shaytan whispered into their ears, to deceive mankind, and to speak regarding the affairs of the Muslim Ummah even though they have not the slightest knowledge regarding them. The Prophet of Allah said,

    “It is enough as a sin for an individual that he narrates everything he hears.”[1]

    So what about the one who labels the Amir al-Mu’minin as a Murji’i, based on hearsay, without having the shame to at least research the matter, nor ask the trustworthy ones who have been with Amir al-Mu’minin, nor even been to Afghanistan?! And why did these people wish to interfere in the affairs of the Muslim Ummah? Nay- It is as in the Hadith:

    “There shall come deceptive years. The truthful shall be deemed liars, while the liars shall be believed. The honest shall be deemed dishonest, while the dishonest shall be deemed honest. (And) the Ruwaybidhah will speak in these times.

    It was asked: What is “Ruwaybidhah” O Messenger of Allah??

    He replied: An insignificant man who shall speak on behalf of the general population.”[2]

    And in other narrations, “A Fuwaysiq [a sinful and rebellious person] who shall speak on behalf of the general population.”

    And this is exactly the situation of these people- insignificant Fuwaysiqah.

    So it became necessary to clarify these things, based upon authentic knowledge of the affairs and the true situation on the ground. And Allah is sought for assistance.

    Before addressing those five points, some important factors which our ‘Ulama have mentioned must be remembered:

    a) Shaykh Yusuf al-‘Uyayri (ra) said, “A word which we would like to record here for the reader, to clarify that which is after it from within the midst of this book: We do not claim that the Taliban Movement is a Movement of Salafiyyah, and whosoever says that regarding their Jumlah [totality, completely], then they are mistaken. And likewise, we deny that the Taliban are Quburiyyah who are upon shirk akbar. So instead we say- There are from amongst the Taliban those who are upon Salafiyyah, and also there are amongst them innovative Sufis- but the great majority of them are upon the Math’hab of Abu Hanifah with regards to ‘Aqidah, and Fiqh, and manner. This is what we know them by, and we have not said this except to elucidate the matter in summary.”

    b) The Shaykh then continued, “Because we have seen people who have confused the affairs, and they claim that the Taliban are “Deobandiyyah”, while thinking that “Deobandiyyah” is an independent ‘Aqidah by itself. But in reality, Deobandiyyah is not a new ‘Aqidah- rather, it is a university which was founded in India, and it is attributed to the city of Deoband, in which it was founded more than 200 years ago. And this university is upon the Hanafi Math’hab with regards to Fiqh…

    Thus Deobandiyyah is a university, not an independent ‘Aqidah by itself. It is like Azhar in Egypt. Azhar is a university which was founded in Egypt and its branches are widespread. Yet, not every graduate from Azhar is Shafi’i in Math’hab, and Ash’ari in ‘Aqidah. So ‘Ulama graduate from Azhar who are upon Salafiyyah, and ‘Ulama of the Ahl al-Hadith. Just like that is the situation of the University of Deoband. So the University of Deoband is influenced – to a certain extent - by the ‘Aqidah and path of its founder…

    And it is very important to correct this understanding upon which the Hukm regarding the Taliban Movement is based… And even, the Taliban are not all graduates of the University of Deoband- rather, the majority of them are graduates of the Haqqani University for the Sciences of Hadith in Peshawar; and another (major) part of the Taliban are graduates from the Islamic University of Karachi, and the greatest influence upon them (in the Islamic University of Karachi) is the noble Shaykh, Nitham ad-Din Shamizi, the Dean of the Faculty of Hadith at the University.

    So it is injustice against the rights of the Taliban that we judge upon them with the mistakes of the University of Deoband; and this is because the mistakes of the Deobandiyyah does not lead to a valid ruling against the Taliban. And this is because the ruling regarding the Taliban, is a ruling regarding individuals- and individuals are more specific than the University of Deoband. So how can it be possible for us to rule upon that which is specific [Akhass], by that which is general [A’amm]? Despite the fact that most of those individuals did not even come from that University! So if someone wanted to edict upon the Deobandiyyah that they are Hindus, based on the fact that their University was founded in Hindu India- this ruling will not be correct.

    And this is due to there being no connection between the ‘Aqidah of the University, and the ‘Aqidah of the land in which it was founded. And likewise we say, there is no connection between the ‘Aqidah of the University of Deoband and the Taliban Movement. Because before (we can claim) that, we are in need of establishing that the Taliban, as a whole, graduated from that University- and after that also, we are in need of establishing that the Taliban are committed to the ‘Aqidah of that University- if anything is established from its branches, from which they graduated, that there are reprehensible things in their [curriculum’s] ‘Aqidah. And (if) after that (is established) - we should look into if the Taliban are satisfied with that which they studied, and they believe in that which they studied, and act upon it; Because it is not inevitable that a person takes as his ‘Aqidah everything that he studies. And (all these) universities and schools today which are spread throughout the world- it is not possible for us to say regarding a specific individual that he believes in such and such – or disbelieves in such and such – (merely) because he graduated from such and such university which utilizes a deviant book in teaching the matters of ‘Aqidah.

    And this elucidation is not presented except to let the reader comprehend these meanings before entering into the midst of the book.”

    c) Shaykh Abu Mus’ab as-Suri (ha) said while mentioning some of the shortcomings of the Taliban, “Thirdly, general ignorance regarding the affairs of this world- and from that, is international and regional politics, and the condition of the rulers of the lands of the Muslims, from amongst the tyrannical apostate puppets. And a general ignorance regarding the international political problems – generally- and specifically, the role of the traitor countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. And this ignorance is reflected in their political stances- nay, even in their Shar’i verdict upon these governments and their stances from them- especially Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the Emirates, and those who recognized them (i.e. the Taliban)…

    And I do not think that fighting against the (apostate) governments in the Arab and Islamic World, like Saddam, and especially countries like Pakistan and the Emirates and Saudi Arabia – or Bilad al-Haramayn as they call it – (I do not think) the Taliban will have a stance regarding this as they have for fighting against the Jews and Americans- and Allah knows best…

    And yet, this problem does not negate the fact that some of the commanders of the Taliban, and their individuals also- understand these affairs just as we understand them [Trans. Note: the Shaykh later mentions their names, such as Shaykh Jalal ad-Din al-Haqqani and Shaykh Yunus Khalis, and others]. And I debated some of the senior Taliban, and I found that with them is a very clear understanding in the matters of Wala’ and Bara’, and Hakimiyyah, and other such matters- a correct understanding.

    And I believe that time shall unravel this; Now, these puppet regimes have an evil stance regarding the Taliban, upon the orders of their masters- as was done by Saudi Arabia just recently when they expelled the Taliban representative (and imprisoned their ambassador).

    And I believe that a global conflict against the Taliban will reveal the reality of these governments, and it will be possible to convince the Taliban of the apostasy of these governments, and the obligation of waging Jihad against them.”

    So after this important introduction- we will begin to address some of the claims, Insha’ Allah.

    1) What is the stance of the Taliban regarding Quburiyyah?

    Said Moulvi Jalal ad-Din Shinwari Sayab[3], “Indeed we teach, educate, and clarify to the people that it [building structures over graves] is not permissible, and that it is in contradiction to the Shari’ah, and that it is not a part of the Din of Islam. And Amir al-Mu’minin is at Harb (war) with this, but with calmness and Hikmah (wisdom). And I myself personally have broken a tomb which used to be worshipped and had a structure on it, which was near the Ministry of Justice.”

    The Governor of Kabul said, “(Regarding graves) our manhaj is the same as the manhaj of Ahl as-Sunnah. And everything which takes place next to these (graves), there is no evidence to support them in Islam. And the Taliban are waging Harb (war) against this corruption- and these heresies do not have any evidences supporting them in Islam.”

    Said the Deputy Minister of Enjoining the Good and Forbidding the Evil, “The (Afghani) population used to live under the shadow of the communist regime for many years, and these heresies became widespread- and now we are striving hard to prevent these and similar evils. And likewise, we strive to explain to the people the Sunnah method of Ziyarah[visiting the graves], and prohibit anything which contradicts this (i.e. the Sunnah method), and to prevent those evils which take place at the graves. And we are in need of books and distribution booklets to clarify for the people their Din, and their ‘Aqidah, and all of the matters of the Shari’ah. So if it is possible, help us in this matter.”

    Al-Mulla Muhammad Hasan[4] said, “There used to be many (forms of) shirk and bid’ah here, and many strange things. Then (we came) and strived to prohibit people from these things and teaching them, because many of them are ignorant. And we have continued to prohibit acts of shirk, such as circumambulation and slaughtering for the graves, and wiping them for blessings. And we notify them that these are in opposition to the Shari’ah- and these (acts of shirk and heresies) have since decreased in a great amount.”

    The martyred Shaykh, Yusuf al-‘Uyayri (ra) commented, “As for what people do from the places of shirk [i.e. tombs]- then without a doubt, the (Taliban) Movement cannot be blamed for that; And this is similar to any country which has places of shirk and apostasy- It is not possible to blame the government for those places, unless if the government constructs this shirk, or calls to it, or is lenient towards it. But as for the government (being labeled) as kafir due to the actions of some of the laymen, then this is a great injustice. And they cannot be labeled kafir until it is known that they are pleased (with the acts and places of shirk), or they invite to it, or they are lenient towards this kufr- And this is something which we have not found them upon, rather, we found them upon the opposite (i.e., we found them at war against graves and tombs and shirk).

    And the lack of removing each and every single place of shirk from Afghanistan completely, does not mean that the Taliban are lenient on this matter. Because some classes of the population are prepared to fight in order to defend their tombs and their creed; thus steadily dealing (i.e. educating them first, etc) with them is something which might sometimes be desirable, to lessen the tribulations and evils (of bloodshed and destruction).”

    2) Are the Taliban Murji’ah?

    Mufti Nitham ad-Din Shamizi was asked, “What is their [i.e. the Taliban’s] ‘Aqidah with regards to Iman?” He answered, “It is the same as Abu Hanifah[5] (ra), as was explained upon in at-Tahawiyyah, which they use (in their curriculum).”

    Now do the Taliban believe that there are actions which are kufr akbar? Even though many of them did not apply Takfir al-‘Ayn upon the governments- what is apparent is that they affirm that actions can lead to kufr akbar. As the Council of Scholars of Afghanistan said on 3/8/1420, “But we have seen that if Usamah is handed over, then America will desire again, to lift the Hijab from the women, and to stop the Hudud and Qisas, and such things; and they will want to end the Divine Laws. And they will want a pure Hukumah Kufriyyah (disbelieving regime) which will apply their fabricated man-made laws, and that is what they desire… And thus I say, and I stress that this – meaning handing over Usamah ibn Ladin – is rejected according to the Shari’ah, and even politically, and it is not permissible; and do not to this, for this action [‘Amal] is amount to declaring war against Allah [i.e. kufr akbar].”

    3) Are the Taliban Sufiyyah and Deobandiyyah?

    Said Mufti Nitham ad-Din Shamizi[6], “Sufiyyah has (some) things which are correct, such as those things which the Prophet (saw) was upon, of righteousness and Zuhd [abstinence] from the worldly things. But as for what [Muhiy ad-Din] Ibn ‘Arabi and others were upon, believing in Wahdat al-Wujud [“the oneness of existence”], and the evil Tasawwuf- Then the Taliban are not upon this, Rather- they are at war [Harb] against this.”

    Said Moulvi Jalal ad-Din Shinwari Sayab, “We are not happy with it (Sufism), and any person whom we know to be a “murid” [a follower of any “Tariqah” of Sufism]- we throw him out of authority and (expel him from) any work for the government. And in Kabul, there were two men who were not capable of walking due to their old age, and they were from amongst the Naqshabandiyyah Sufis. The people used to go to them by the hundreds. So Amir al-Mu’minin (Muhammad ‘Umar) came, and imprisoned both of them for a period of time, and then released them, and warned them from repeating what they had done. So they returned to Kabul, and they did not repeat those actions even till now, and all praise is to Allah. All these things- following the Sufiyyah and being preoccupied (with Tasawwuf), this is what the Americans and the enemies of Allah desire, so that (the people) do not stand up against them (the Americans), and so that they forsake Jihad; and all of that (i.e. Sufiyyah) is not the Path of the Din and Jihad.”

    The Former Ambassador to the Taliban from the Emirates said, “Anyone who visits Afghanistan will now see that these places of shirk have ceased, and the annual celebrations at the mausoleums have been stopped. And likewise, the celebrations which were a remainder from the religion of the Magians which were acted upon before the arrival of the Taliban have been stopped. And also, the (Islamic) Emirate has ended those things which used to take place in the city of Mazar-e-Sharif after they had conquered it- things such as celebrations around that which was claimed to be the grave of ‘Ali (ra). So these things have been put to an end from the first day from a decree from the Council of Scholars. And the women have been prevented from visiting the graves, and signs have been put on the entrances of the cemeteries explaining the manners of Ziyarah according to the Shari’ah. And in addition to this, is what you all have heard and read about, the breaking of the Buddhist idols, for which the entire world has stood up and did not accept…

    But we admit that there are still some places of bid’ah still existent- but the ‘Ulama are looking for ways to cure it, discerning how to do will be most beneficial and without harms; And this is because there are laymen there who are still extremely ignorant. And of these things, there are those who have been trialed by these bid’ah, and it has settled into their minds firmly (i.e. that the heresies are correct, etc)- and the Taliban are cautious that these people might revolt against them, at a time when they are still fighting against the North (i.e. Northern Alliance). And they (the Northern Alliance) want to exploit this – those (Sufis) who oppose the Taliban – by arming them and equipping them to fight against the Taliban. And it is for this reason, the ‘Ulama have decided that some of the bid’ah – other than those which compromise shirk – are in need for some time to educate (the masses). And yet, they banned the activities of the deviant Sufi Tariqah’s, such as the Qadiriyyah and others- they prohibited their open and public activities, which were known as “Halaqat al-Thikr” (Circles of Thikr), but in reality it was not true Thikr. And this ban was to such a degree, that some of the Sufi Tariqah’s, when they could not live with the Taliban (in such a condition), they left Afghanistan and went to Pakistan, and they even announced Harb (war) against the regime of Afghanistan (i.e. the Taliban)!”

    Said Mufti Nitham ad-Din Shamizi also regarding the ‘Aqidah of the Deobandiyyah on the Names and Attributes of Allah, and that of the Taliban, “Generally, the Deobandiyyah are Asha’irah and Maturidiyyah, but they also have amongst them Ahl as-Sunnah. So I try to clarify for the (Afghan) people the true Manhaj [methodology]- the methodology of the Salaf; and I warn from the methodology of the Khalaf. But it is hard to speak regarding the Asha’irah and Maturidiyyah as openly as the ‘Ulama of the Arabian Peninsula do. And as for the Taliban, the Ra’is al-Ifta’ [Head of Issuing Religious Verdicts] is one of my students, and he is upon this (Salaf’s) Manhaj. And likewise is the great scholar, ‘Abdullah Thakiri. And we strive to clarify the truth.”

    Moulvi Ahmad Jan[7] was asked, “We hear, and it is being spread in the lands of the Muslims, specifically in Bilad al-Haramayn, that this (Taliban) Movement is a movement which is mixed with some of the ‘Aqidah of the Sufiyyah, Quburiyyah, and Maturidiyyah. So what is the extent of these beliefs and things being existent in your (Movement) in your country?”

    He answered, “Yes, it is true that people say regarding Afghanistan and the Islamic Taliban Movement these types of rumors, and many types of rumors; whether it be regarding the Math’hab, or regarding it understanding of the Din, or whether it be regarding its implementation of the Islamic Shari’ah. And this obscurity has created a concealing of the clear matters, unfortunately- till people stay away from this Movement, and refrain from assisting it. But as for what we (the Taliban) say- and with all clarity- that the ‘Aqidah which the Afghan (Mujahidin) and the (Islamic) Emirate (of Afghanistan) strives to spread, by its radio and its media, and by its schools and curriculums in the universities- it is the ‘Aqidah of Ahl as-Sunnah wal-Jama’ah, which is explained by al-‘Aqidah at-Tahawiyyah.”

    Said Shaykh Yusuf al-‘Uyayri (ra), “As for those who say we should leave them (the Taliban) because they are Maturidiyyah, then we say- We do not negate that, nor do we affirm it, because this is in need of asking and testing them- and testing people regarding al-Masa’il al-Khafiyyah [intricate and complex matters] of ‘Aqidah is something which was first brought by the Khawarij. And we are upon the foundation that they are Muslims, and whosoever claims that they are Maturidiyyah, then it is binding upon him to bring forth the evidence, and let him specify and name who from them are Maturidiyyah, so that we can look into their affairs! And this is besides the fact that the ‘Ulama which we asked, such as ‘Abdullah Thakiri, Moulvi Ihsanullaah Ihsan (ra), al-Mulla Muhammad Rabbani (ra), and Mufti Nitham ad-Din who said, “We indeed reject the ‘Aqidah of the Maturidiyyah, and we teach the students the ‘Aqidah of Ahl as-Sunnah.”

    The Shaykh then continued regarding those who accuse them of being Maturidiyyah, “So we just stumble upon a book of some Afghani which mentions that the ‘Aqidah of Pakistan and Afghanistan is Maturidiyyah, and so we generalize this ruling… Indeed this is something strange!!”

    So this is the stance of the Taliban regarding these matters. Who are the Taliban following in these matters? And what did the general Afghani laymen, many of whom are Sufiyyah and Deobandiyyah, say about the Taliban?

    The Head of the Council of Scholars of Afghanistan said, “Do not ask too much regarding the Sufiyyah, nor speak too much against them- because some of the laymen follow the Shayatin [devils] from amongst the humans, and they will instigate them against you, and they will say, “You [Mujahidin] are followers of (Muhammad) ibn ‘Abdil-Wahhab!”

    Said Mufti Nitham ad-Din Shamizi, “The Afghan people, generally, and the Pakistanis have not heard anything from the Shayatin [devils] amongst the humans and from the ignorant except evil regarding the “Wahhabiyyah”. But I myself, and many from the Taliban, and their commanders, and their ‘Ulama- we know those are lies. We view the “Wahhabiyyah” as actually being upon the methodology of the Salaf- I myself have studied many books by Shaykh Muhammad (Ibn ‘Abdil-Wahhab), may Allah have mercy upon him.”

    Said the Deputy Minister of Enjoining the Good and Forbidding the Evil, “And we are humans, [sometimes] we make mistakes and [sometimes] we are correct. And specifically, we do not have experience, thus we are in need of our ‘Ulama and teachers in the Arabian Peninsula to advice us, and to come to us, and to clarify the Truth to us.

    As for them to criticize us from far away (from their countries), then this is not beneficial- it is necessary that they come and advice us (here), and we will seek their consultation. And if then, we do not apply what they advice us with, then they have the right to criticize us. And we (are indeed) in need of that [i.e. advice and consultation]- because they are our ‘Ulama, and we honor them, welcome them, and we defend them.”

    Said Moulvi Shihab ad-Din[8], “We do not deny that there are many heresies present within Afghanistan- But when the Taliban came, they prohibited these (acts of heresies), and with wisdom, and slowly, they banned (them). For example, there was a garment attributed to the Prophet (saw), and there used to be two days from the week for “Tabarruk” [seeking blessings] from it, one day for men, and one day for women. So the Taliban banned all this, and they prohibited going to it.

    So we continue to explain to the people that the One Who benefits, and the One Who harms, is but Allah. And the Taliban are Muwahhidun [with regards to Tawhid al-‘Uluhiyyah] who prohibit wiping (the tombs for blessings), circumambulation (around the tombs), and prostration (towards the tombs). They prohibit that, and explain to the people that these (actions) are not permissible. And likewise, another example, there was a stone and a cloth which was brought by a man in ancient (times), and the people made it something great in respect and honor, and they used to wipe it for blessings. So the Taliban banned these, and put [i.e. built] an iron wall over them, and prohibited the people from coming close to it- and now, and all praise is due to Allah, no one goes to it. [And then he mentioned the story of the two Naqshabandis which was mentioned by the Deputy Minister of Justice].

    And I continue to speak at the Jami’ [Central Masjid] in Qandahar against the heresies, and that Allah is the One Who Benefits, and the One Who Harms. And I also explain to them the Sunnah method of Ziyarah [visiting graves] is only to give Salam and pray for the deceased, and then to leave.”
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    4) Are the Taliban biased and blind followers of the Hanafi Math’hab?

    Said Mufti Nitham ad-Din Shamizi, “The Afghans – and in Pakistan also- the laymen generally, and their scholars, have a lot of bias (towards the Hanafi Math’hab). But when the ‘Arabs came during the days of Jihad (against the Russians), and the Afghans intermixed with the ‘Arabs, and they began to travel to the Arabian Peninsula (to seek knowledge)- Ta’assub [bias/prejudice] diminished within their scholars, and (even) ceased to exist in some of the scholars and laymen. But as for the Taliban, then there is no Ta’assub towards the Hanafi Math’hab, except in a few of them- and the Taliban are working to stop it and educate the people.”

    Said the Deputy Minister of Enjoining the Good and Forbidding the Evil, “Now, the Muslims are disunited, and the Jews and Christians want this- and it is for this, they have spread evil ideas amongst the Muslims to split their ranks, “This is a Wahhabi”, “This is a Hanafi”, “This is a Shafi’i”. This is to split them up. And we do not want this, and we strive to stop this- and we want solidity between all the Muslims, so that we can be one Ummah, as one body.”

    Shaykh Abu Mus’ab as-Suri (ha) said, “And it is narrated from al-Mulla Muhammad ‘Umar (ha) himself and several senior Taliban leaders that they agreed with the evidences in many occasions with regards to Fiqh and judicial matters in which they opposed their [Hanafi] Math’hab.”

    5) The Taliban and the United Nations.

    Shaykh Abu Mus’ab as-Suri (ra) narrated while explaining the Ta’wil that the Taliban had used to justify their request to enter the U.N., “Amir al-Mu’minin clarified for some of the brothers who had visited him, that the Taliban stipulated a condition in their request to join the United Nations- the stipulation that the Taliban Government is not required to follow or implement any article or regulation which contradicts the Islamic Shari’ah.

    And it is clear from the sayings of the Taliban that they wish to put the ball in the court of the U.N. So if they refuse to let them enter, then the Hujjah is for the Taliban. So they requested entrance with stipulations with which they were satisfied (were not kufr). And this (stipulation request) is not done by the type which desires to perform an act of kufr – so he does not want to join the U.N. actually [unless the stipulation is fulfilled], rather it is only a tactic.” So this was the Ta’wil which the Taliban had when they desired to enter the U.N., initially.

    The Official Spokesperson for the Islamic Emirate, Amin Khan Muttaqi, when asked by Shaykh Sa’id al-Misri, “Why do the Taliban request to be seated with the United Nations, even though that contradicts what the Taliban call towards of implementing the Shari’ah?” – so Muttaqi answered, “Indeed the Taliban never sought, in even a single day from amongst the days, to sit in the United Nations unrestrictedly. Rather, they were only always stressing upon the stipulation that they will not abide by any requirement by the United Nations if it contradicts the Shari’ah.” So Shaykh Sa’id said, “But this form of request in such a manner, it is unlikely that it will be fulfilled, because it contradicts the charter of the United Nations?” So Muttaqi replied, “If they do not accept, then likewise we will not accept stepping down from our fundamentals beliefs.”

    When Shaykh Yusuf al-‘Uyayri (ra) asked Mufti Nitham ad-Din Shamizi, “We heard that the Taliban requested to join the United Nations, (is this true)?” – he replied, “Yes, it is true. And I myself and some of the ‘Ulama went and advised Amir al-Mu’minin. So he (Amir al-Mu’minin) said, “I do not want anything except recognition (of the Islamic Emirate), and we will only apply from their laws that which is in harmony with the Shari’ah.” So we said to him, “This is not possible in the reality of the ground today- merely entering into the United Nations is kufr, due to what they obligate from regulations of kufr.” So we left him, and he remained in doubt and unsure. And when we visited him this year, we found that this idea (of requesting joining the U.N.) had ceased to be in his mind.”

    Shaykh Yusuf al-‘Uyayri (ra) then commented, “We should point out that there were about nine months between what Abu Mus’ab narrated and what Mufti Nitham ad-Din narrated.”

    So this is what Allah has allowed me to compile, and all praise belongs to Him, in the beginning and in the end. May Allah assist the Taliban and return them to authority and power over the lands.

    And I leave everyone with some of the words of Amir al-Mu’minin, which he wrote on 7/16/1422 (October 2001)- after the entire globe joined together against the Taliban.

    “And what is the ruling of those who ally themselves with these Crusaders, and stands on their side with any type from the various types of support and assistance?

    Indeed from that which the Ummah of Islam has Ijma’ upon, and all the Imams are united upon- is that in such a situation in which we are in today- Jihad against these Crusaders becomes Fardh ‘Ayn upon each and every Muslim. There is no need for the father to give permission to his son, nor the master to his slave, nor the spouse to the spouse- nor is there any need for the one who is in debt to have permission from the one whom he owes- and there is no difference of opinion regarding this between the ‘Ulama. So this is the ruling regarding Jihad against these invaders, and it is the obligation of the Muslims.

    As for the ruling regarding those who collaborate with these Crusaders, then Allah (Most High) clarified this in the clearest words:

    ?? ???? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ????? ???????? ? ???? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ??????? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ???????? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????

    “O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and Christians as Awliya’ [allies]. They are but Awliya’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them as Awliya’, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Thalimun [wrong-doers]. And you see in those in whose hearts there is a disease (of hypocrisy), they hurry to their friendship, saying: ‘We fear lest some misfortune of a disaster may befall us.’ Perhaps Allah may bring a victory or a decision according to His Will. Then they would become regretful for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves.”[9]

    So Allah (Most High) has clarified in these verses a number of matters, amongst them:

    1) The prohibition of Muwalat (alliance, friendship) with the Jews and Christians, and supporting them, and Muthaharah (assisting them against the Muslims).

    2) That whosoever allies with them, assists them, and supports them against the Muslims, then they have the same ruling as them [i.e. he is one of them].

    3) That alliance with them is from the attributes and manners of the munafiqin.

    And He (Most High) has explained that alliance with the mushrikin negates Iman in Allah and His Messenger. As He said:

    ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ??????. ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??????? ??????

    “You see many of them taking the disbelievers as their Awliya’. Evil indeed is that which their ownselves have sent forth before them; for that (reason) Allah’s Wrath fell upon them, and in torment they will abide forever. And had they believed in Allah, and in the Prophet, and in what has been revealed to him- they would have never taken them (the kuffar) as Awliya’. But many of them are fasiqun [rebellious].”[10]

    And from these verses and other verses, the ‘Ulama have stated that Muthaharah [assisting] the mushrikin against the Muslims is a Nullification from the Nawaqidh al-Islam (Nullifications of Islam)- and it is judged upon the individual that he has apostatized and exited from Islam…”

    Signed, “The Servant of Islam and the Muslims, Amir al-Mu’minin, al-Mulla Muhammad ‘Umar Mujahid.”

    [1] Refer to as-Silsilah as-Sahihah (2025), and Sahih al-Jami’ (4480). And in a different narration, “It is enough as a lie for an individual that he narrates everything he hears.” Refer to Sahih al-Jami’ (4482).

    [2] Refer to Fat’h al-Bari (13/91), al-Bidayah wan-Nihayah (1/87, 214), as-Silsilah as-Sahihah (1887, 2253), Sahih Ibn Majah (3261), Sahih al-Jami’ of al-Albani (3650), al-Jami’ as-Sahih of al-Wadi’i (1/380, 3/496, 5/369), and as-Sahih al-Musnad by al-Wadi’i (27).

    [3] He was the Deputy Minister of Justice of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. And in Afghan society, he was also the Amir of the tribes of eastern Afghanistan.

    [4] He was the governor of Qandahar province, and was known as the “Second Man” in the Taliban Movement, and he was the “second-in-command” after Amir al-Mu’minin; he was from the old Mujahidin who fought against the Russians, when he lost one of his legs. And we [i.e. Shaykh Yusuf al-‘Uyayri (ra) and those who were with him] noticed some hardship in him during the interview, due to his not knowing Arabic fluently. And he is highly regarded amongst the Arabs, and they praise him and his strength in prohibiting evils. This answer was given by the governor regarding the question, “What is the position of the Taliban regarding graves and circumambulation around them, and the bid’ah which takes place near them?”

    [5] Even though most of his life he held the opinion that actions are not a part of Iman- it is narrated that he gave that opinion up, and took the opinion of Ahl as-Sunnah with regards to actions being a part of Iman. Refer to at-Tamhid of Ibn ‘Abdil-Barr (9/247), and Sharh at-Tahawiyyah of Ibn Abil-‘Izz al-Hanafi (395).

    [6] He is one of the Senior Scholars of the Taliban, and many of the Taliban studied under him. He is the Dean of the Faculty of Hadith at the University of Islamic Sciences in Karachi, Pakistan.

    [7] He was the Communications Representative of the Office of Amir al-Mu’minin.

    [8] He was the Qadhi and Head of the Courts in Qandahar District, Afghanistan.

    [9] al-Ma’idah: 51-52

    [10] al-Ma’idah: 80-81
  14. abuhannah

    abuhannah Well-Known Member

    ^read this b4,excellent article and worth a read by all here,jzk brother..

    wa salamolaikom wr wb...
  15. pakhtoon

    pakhtoon New Member

    HT are a clueless sensationalist organization.

    I recently read an article where HT backed the ISI of Pakistan and showed support for its corrupt government.
  16. DhulQarNain

    DhulQarNain براهيم الامزيغي

    Allâhul musta'an
  17. Logic lover

    Logic lover Well-Known Member

    If we are not sure about the status of Taliban rule before 2002 (just before being unseated from power) - does it mean they did not have the right to enforce the sharia?

    It is possible to have an Islamic Imara instead of the Khilafa. It is possible to rule by the Sharia without there being Khilafa. It is a simple matter.
  18. Abu'l 'Eyse

    Abu'l 'Eyse Rep-manz

    I remember there was a shubha if takfeer amongst the ALM shabab many a year ago when discussions between HT/ALM/Abu Essa of slough's jamma'ah upon mullah 'Umar

    I remember asking a bri from ALM and he said they don't make takfeer of MUllah 'Umar and OBM wrote something on this that is was imarah khassah.

    The issues with the Abu Essa jamma'ah and TAliban revolved around not having more than one leader etc as they said Abu 'Essa was the amir and bay'h to him was wajib. It was confusing because on their site articles they would say 'we don't make takfeer of ppl who don't give bay'ah" but in real life I know of the experiances of HT/ALM/family members of the Abu Essa jamma'ah who had takfeer made upon them.

    It was also stated by ALM members that OBm knew one scholar from that jamm'ah who was scared to leave the jamma'ah because it would constitute "removing the bay'ah" and that was dangerous.

    As for HT I remember hearing around the time shaykh abu'l Hasan as-Sudaani (Rh) was in London he personally said it was imarah khassah too.

    But there are articles written by a brother (Yusuf Patel) for after 9/11 times which I can't remember what they said so maybe google it. Also he brother/author is a member of the forum so look his name up and pm him or something?

    The difference between khilafah and dar al-Islaam is that khilafah involves the continuation of the Bay'ah of global Islamic leader whereas dar al-Islam has implementation of shar'iah but not a khalif. It will still have a leader and he is not implementing kufr but al-Islaam.

    I think an example was ash-Shaam which was autonomous from Imaam Ali's (KAW) khilafah for a period of time but they never declared it dar al-Kufr etc

    but maybe look into it an interesting topic

    Wa Allahu a'lam
  19. Abu'l 'Eyse

    Abu'l 'Eyse Rep-manz

    seriously? That's surprising seeing as they are regulaly opressed by both institutions. Could you post a link brother? JazakAllahu khairan in advance
  20. Logic lover

    Logic lover Well-Known Member

    Logically, this is what HT will do (that is to seek help from those they are being oppressed by). They believe in establishing the state through 'Nusra' from those in authority. In practice, this is hardly the case throughout the human history. The establishment does not support a new order, rather it opposes it. Hence, HT stance is irrational. The Ikhawani method of 'democracy' is more rational as it seeks popular non-violent support. However, the Jihadi method seems to be closer to the truth.
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2010

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