The Euphrates Will Disclose Mountain of Gold

Discussion in 'Islamic Theology and Ideology' started by 'Abd al-Kareem, Feb 9, 2007.

  1. 'Abd al-Kareem

    'Abd al-Kareem Scaffolding

    Assalamu 'alaikum

    The final hour will not come until the river Euphrates (which flows through Syria and Iraq and finally opens in the Gulf) will disclose a mountain of gold over which people will fight and die. It should be noted that this is a sign, which will precede Imaam Mahdi only according to some Ulama. Abu Huraira (R.A.) reported that the Messenger of Allah Peace and blessings be upon him said, ''The hour shall not occur until the Euphrates will disclose a mountain of gold over which people will fight . Ninety- nine out of which hundred shall be killed and every one of them will say' Perchance I shall be the one to succeed. ''(Muslim)
    In another narration we have been told that whoever is present at the time when the Euphrates discloses a mountain of gold should not take the gold.

    Have any scholars ever mentioned anything about this hadith and if it might relate to anything that has happened?
  2. Abu_Abdillah2000

    Abu_Abdillah2000 New Member

    A few years ago there was apparently some story on one Arabic news channel which showed Iraqis finding bits of gold in the river Euphrates. Allahu a'lam, maybe the time is coming soon...

    I read in an article by Ali at-Tamimi in which he mentioned that Shaykh Hammud at-Tuwayjiri suggested in his book about the signs of yawm al-qiyamah that the drying up or diversion of the river Euphrates will occur around the same time as the "fitnah of ad-duhayma'", in which the believers will be sorted out from the munafiqin, just before the appearance of the Dajjal (and also, presumably, the Mahdi), wallahu a'lam.

    Remember, though, that this doesn't necessarily mean they will occur immediately after one another, there might be years or decades between these events.
  3. 'Abd al-Kareem

    'Abd al-Kareem Scaffolding

    Assalamu 'alaikum

    I dunno, I've always thought of that hadith as a metaphor. But I'm no scholar, nor am I even a tiny bit qualified to interpret hadith or anything. Maybe it'll literally be gold insha'Allah.

    But akhi you said "just before the appearance of the Dajjal (and also, presumably, the Mahdi)," but Al-Mahdi is coming before the Dajjal insha'Allah. Won't Al-Dajjal come at the end of Al-Mahdi's reign, followed by 'Esa ('alayhi assalam) after about a year insha'Allah.
    wallahu a'lam
  4. Abu_Abdillah2000

    Abu_Abdillah2000 New Member

    I said "presumably" because there is some ikhtilaf about whether or not the Dajjal will come during the Mahdi's lifetime.

    According to some scholars, the appearance of the Dajjal will come towards the end of the Mahdi's rule, followed by the descent of 'Isa ibn Maryam, who will kill the Dajjal. As for the Mahdi, he will bring to an end to a period of great fitnah and tribulation that will be affecting the Muslims. So they say that all of these things will occur in a short period of time, not more than 10 years.

    According to other scholars, the Mahdi will come at a time of great fitnah, then he will die and be succeeded by a number of rulers, some of whom will be good and some of whom will be bad. Then one or two more periods of fitnah will follow, after which the Muslims will get their act together and defeat the Romans, conquer Constantinople and Rome, and then the Dajjal will appear around seven months after that, followed by 'Isa, 'alayhis-salam, who will kill him. So according to this view, there will be a period of perhaps several generations between the Mahdi and the Dajjal.

    Both of these views are supported by many texts (ahadith and athar), but as most of these texts are weak in their authenticity (as well as some of them being contradictory), only Allah knows for sure how things will turn out.

    If you have any more queries I am happy to go into further detail regarding these points according to whatever knowledge I have of them.
  5. 'Abd al-Kareem

    'Abd al-Kareem Scaffolding

    Assalamu 'alaikum

    I thought 'Esa ('alayhi assalam) would pray janazah along with the Muslims for the Mahdi (indicating that there will be no gap)
  6. gag order

    gag order Anti-Troll

    a chronological order of events would be most helpful in understanding this somewhat perplexing subject.
  7. 'Abd al-Kareem

    'Abd al-Kareem Scaffolding

    Assalamu 'alaikum

    That's not possible akhi because the scholars have differed on what will happen insha'Allah.

    My understanding is that there will be a tyrant from the lineage of Abu Sufyan who will be a very very oppressive bloodthirsty dictator who will be so bad that he will kill pregnant women by cutting open their stomachs and killing the child as well. Then there will be a death of a ruler and there will be a lot of trouble about who should take the rule next. There will be trouble in Dhul-Qi'dah and during Hajj there will be fighting and killing and blood will flow. Al-Mahdi will flee to Makkah and he will be surrounded and be forced to accept people's bayah.
    The tyrant will send an army to kill the Mahdi but the earth will swallow them up, except for 1 or 2 who will inform the tyrant about what happened. He will not care and will get ready to attack again. People in Iraq and Syria will hear of these events and give their bayah to the Mahdi. And the first battle will be against the Suffyani tyrant.

    Allah knows best.
  8. gag order

    gag order Anti-Troll

    the removal of apostate regimes?

    it doesnt have to be accurate even a vague chronology is better than nothing.

    at the very end you'll find lectures by Anwar al Awlaki on this.
  10. justabro

    justabro Salafi (Retd.)

    the hadiths concerning "al-Sufyani" are all weak according to Sh. Salman al-Awdah and Sh. Hatim al-'Awni. In fact, sh. Salman says that it seems they were likely fabrications of (the enemies of) [its seems the word "enemies" was accidentally dropped] the Umayyads for obvious political reasons:
  11. 'Abd al-Kareem

    'Abd al-Kareem Scaffolding

    Assalamu 'alaikum

    Ah, subhan'Allah, jazak Allahu khairun brother for that. It seemed really strange that the word Suffyani was just thrown in there. And I don't remember anybody claiming to be of Suffyani lineage in the past...

    Hmm so that means there could be nothing left before Al-Mahdi, and Allah knows best. There is disagreement about whether the Euphrates river gold will happen before or after Mahdi's arrival.

    Btw, is it Mahdi, or Al-mahdi?
  12. Abu_Abdillah2000

    Abu_Abdillah2000 New Member

    It is "al-mahdi" or "the mahdi". "Mahdi" is not his name, it is a description meaning "someone who is rightly guided".

    Regarding the view that 'Isa 'alayhis-salam will pray behind the Mahdi, it is worthy of note that in none of the agreed-upon authentic narrations of this hadith is the man in question identified clearly as the Mahdi. In some narrations he is described as a righteous imam, in other narrations as a descendent of the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam. Some narrations (whose authenticity is less-established) contain the word "mahdi", but it is used in conjuction with the word "their imam", (imamuhum al-mahdi), which can simply mean "their imam who will be rightly-guided", like how the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam described the khulafa' ar-rashidin as "al-khulafa' ar-rashidin al-mahdiyyin" (plural of "mahdi").

    Also, the well-known ahadith that clearly mention the Mahdi contain many details about his description and events in his life, yet none of them mention events which are much more important such as the Malhamah, conquest of Constantinople and Rome, or the descent of 'Isa and the emergence of the Dajjal during his life. This is another indication that these things will occur after the Mahdi's death, wallahu a'lam.

    There are a few books on this subject floating around on the internet, most of them are in Arabic though.
  13. Abu_Abdillah2000

    Abu_Abdillah2000 New Member

    A rough timeline, or more correctly, sequence of events, might be as follows (according to my long research):

    1: Period of weakness and fitnah in the Ummah.
    2: Rise of a (nominally) Muslim tyrant in ash-Sham (Syria-Palestine), identified in some weak ahadith as the "Sufyani" wallahu a'lam.
    3: The appearance of gold from the Euphrates river, perhaps due to it drying up or changing course.
    4: Very likely a loss of most of high technology in the world, perhaps due to economic collapse in the west, wallahu a'lam. People start to go back to a more pre-industrial age. Also a heavy decrease in population.
    5: The appearance of the Mahdi in Makkah, people want to give bay'ah to him but he refuses, they threaten to kill him if he refuses, so he reluctantly accepts.
    6: The tyrant in ash-Sham sends an army against the Mahdi and his supporters, it is swallowed up by the earth between Makkah and al-Madinah.
    7: Many people from Iraq and Syria and Egypt now come to join the Mahdi in Makkah after seeing this sign.
    8: The Mahdi comes out of Makkah and takes over ash-Sham.
    9: According to some narrations, the Sufyani then gives bay'ah to the Mahdi, then breaks it, the Mahdi fights and defeats the Sufyani and his supporters of the tribe of Kalb, and kills the Sufyani in Palestine.
    10: The Mahdi rules for 7, 8, or 9 years, in which he speads justice and hands out wealth freely until everyone is satisfied and there is no-one left to accept zakat.
    11: The Mahdi dies.
    12: According to many narrations (which all contain weakness BTW), a period of fitnah begins some time after the Mahdi's death, followed by several ups and downs for the Muslims.
    13: The Romans (European Christians) invade ash-Sham, there are several battles between them and the Muslims.
    14: A khalifah from the Banu Hashim (relatives of the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam) or from Qahtan (Yemeni Arabs) comes to power, and al-Malhamah al-Kubra (the greatest battle) takes place at al-A'maq (near Halab in Syria) between the Muslims and Romans. The Romans are defeated. According to some narrations, the Muslims' khalifah is killed, and succeeded by another khalifah from Banu Hashim.
    15: This khalifah conquers Constantinople (which by this time is under the control of the Romans) and Rome. The ahadith mentioning the Malhamah and the conquest of the cities of the Romans before the coming of the Dajjal clearly and unambiguously refer to the use of swords, horses, walls being used as city fortifications, and so on, indicating that modern technology will then be a thing of the past.
    16: Around 7 months later, there is a false rumour of the Dajjal's emergence. Not long after that, he really does appear.
    17: The Dajjal comes from the east, deceives most of the earth's population, who all follow him, except for the faithful believers.
    18: The Dajjal remains for forty days: one day like a year, one day like half a year, one day like a month, one day like a week, and the rest of the days like normal days.
    19: He comes to Bayt al-Maqdis (or Damascus according to some narrations) to beseige the Muslims, then 'Isa ibn Maryam 'alayhis-salam descends and prays behind the imam of the Muslims (from Banu Hashim), then they go out to face the Dajjal and his army of Jews, 'Isa kills the Dajjal with his spear, and the Muslims chase the Jews, who hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees call out to the Muslims "there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
    20: Some time after that, Allah tells 'Isa to take the Muslims (who are only in the thousands by now) to go up to the mountain of Tur, as He has permitted Ya'juj and Ma'juj (two tribes of Turks trapped in the mountains by Dhul-Qarnayn 1000's of year ago) to break through their barrier and overwhelm the earth. They come out in millions, maybe billions, and cause widespread killing, destruction, and general chaos.
    21: 'Isa makes du'a' against them, and Allah sends a sickness which kills them all in one night.
    22: The Muslims come down, and 'Isa 'alayhis-salam is their ruler for 7 years or 40 years (the ahadith are unclear). He rules them by the shari'ah of Muhammad, sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam, he breaks the cross, kills the pigs, and abolishes the jizyah, so that there is only two options for anyone left on the earth who is not a Muslim: to accept Islam or be killed. 'Isa marries and has children. He performs Hajj and 'Umrah.
    23: 'Isa dies and is buried by the Muslims next to the Prophet, sallallahu 'alayhi wa-sallam.
    24: One day, the sun comes up from the west, and all chances for tawbah end after that. That morning, a beast (dabbat al-ardh) emerges from the ground near as-Safa in Makkah and marks the faces of the believers with light, and the faces of the kuffar with a black mark, so now everyone's status is open and clear.
    25: Some time after that, a cool wind takes the souls of all believers, and there are only kuffar left on the earth, who will be the worst of people.
    26: The Ethiopians (Abyssinians) will come to the Arabian Peninsula and one of them, described as "Dhus-Suwayqatayn" demolishes the Ka'bah.
    27: The kuffar who are left on the earth will be the worst of people, they will commit zina in public, in the middle of the street, with their own sisters and daughters. While they are like that, the Last Hour will come upon them, and Yawm al-Qiyamah will occur.

    I hope this is helpful. The best book in which more details can be found is Ibn Kathir's book "an-Nihayah", which has been translated into English by Ta-Ha Publishing, under the tile "Signs Before the Day of Judgement".
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  14. Abu Maryam PK

    Abu Maryam PK New Member

    JzK aBU Abdullah.

    As a side point, Sh Munajjid mntioned just today that it is absolutely incrrect to interpret gold as petrol, as it contradicts arabic language
  15. Abu Maryam PK

    Abu Maryam PK New Member

  16. muslima12

    muslima12 the help of الله‎ is near

    v interesting abu abdllah, jazaakAllah
  17. ummah1

    ummah1 New Member

    Hadith fulfilled!! Gold in the Euphrates, الذهب في نهر الفرات

  18. Ibn Saeed

    Ibn Saeed Arabic = Key to Knowledge

    there is no need to jump to conclusions.

    How can you say its fulfilled whereas the hadith mentions that there will be a " mountain of gold" , did you see any mountain of gold in the video.

    This is not Proof
  19. 'Abd al-Kareem

    'Abd al-Kareem Scaffolding


    Everyone please disregard my previous posts in this thread.

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