What makes sense Islam or Christianity ?

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  1. hak2000

    hak2000 Member

  2. Umm Ahmed

    Umm Ahmed 2C oursels as ithers C us

    What's the field of Muslim Apologetics ?
  3. Umm Ahmed

    Umm Ahmed 2C oursels as ithers C us

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    Good for William and Morbius to watch.
  4. Layth

    Layth Abu Shawarma

    Yeah, never heard of it before. Probably has something to do with refuting christians.
  5. morbius

    morbius <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    For some reason the video doesn't load.

    Anyway, religion is not science that has to base everything on evidence. All religions ask you to swallow some things on faith, in the end the question is what makes most sense to you.

    For me it's Christianity, but I can understand that for others something else can make more sense.
  6. Suhaib Jobst

    Suhaib Jobst 'Amal Ahl al-Madina

    Generally, you are correct about this. However, keep in mind that Islam does not command anything which the Fitra, once the human mind and soul is freed from any illusions or preconceived notions which may bind it, would reject. Fitra is regarded as an important factor in our Din, such as how purified one's soul is or those factors which lead the self and ego to commit disobedient actions.

    This is why the Holy Qur'an encourages human beings to reflect upon the Signs of Allah (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala), to use our logic to realize what is the Truth. Neither is there any Islamic belief which is incompatible with logic. All the commands of Allah (Azza wa Jall) make perfect sense when considered honestly, free from those illusions which blind the human mind.
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  7. rebirth061

    rebirth061 Member

    Reality though Morbius is that Christianity isn't really a religion. So as long as you accept Jesus is your Saviour and died for your sins, you are good to go. This is the only thing required in order to be Christian. This is more akin to some new fad instead of a religion.
  8. morbius

    morbius <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Again, different people have different logic and different understanding of some things. Complex mathematic models of relativistic physics might seem like gibberish to a layman, but to a physicist they make sense. Likewise, complicated and mystic message of Christianity repels some, but it actually makes a lot of sense to me.
  9. morbius

    morbius <A HREF="showthread.php?t=70991"></A>

    Common misconception that Muslims have about Christianity.
    If it was really so, why would Jesus bother with all the love-your-neighbor preaching? :) He would simply say to us: “Look guys, I’m going to die for you, so you don’t have to worry about a thing”.
  10. Layth

    Layth Abu Shawarma

    content removed! It makes sense to you that mankind would be burdened with the sin of Adam, and that God would send his innocent son, have him tortured and humiliated and dragged through the mud, just to forgive us for that sin that we didn't even commit?

    Christianity leads to atheism since any thinking human being would reject all of the above and sadly enough most of those who reject that nonsense turn to atheism and become anti-religion. You yourself will probably turn to atheism at some point in your life.

    Alhamdulillah alot of those who reject christianity turn to islam and that number is increasing and will continue to increase insha'Allah. Islam is simple and makes sense to even a two year old: One God, no man is burdened with the sins of another man, believe in God and His messenger and do good and you will be Rewarded, reject God and you will be punished.
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  11. Abbas al-Masri

    Abbas al-Masri New Member

    except of course "nu" believing God is the creator of evil and thus is not al-Rahman and al-Raheem.
  12. Layth

    Layth Abu Shawarma

    Ok content removed, lets see if you can answer this question: What is "evil"? Define evil.

    And is Allah 'Azza wa Jal Raheem to the unbelievers?
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  13. evil is not a creation of allaah, allaah created everything good and pure, even shaytan. allaah has given jinn and mankind the choice to obey or disobey, when they obey they are good when they disobey they are evil. evil is dependent on that choice.
  14. Abbas al-Masri

    Abbas al-Masri New Member

    Thank you brother al-Hindi, also "nu" I never insulted you and called you an idiot! Nice adhab you have is that also what you learned from the content removed ibn taymiyya and his works of kufr that were refuted by the top Syrian scholars of all 4 Madhabs of Al-Sunnah wal'Jamat of his lifetime. Also "nu" Allah(SWT) punishes the unbelievers yes, this is not evil as the unbelievers deserve to be punished for their disbelieve. This is different then saying Allah(SWT) allegedly created evil which is blasphemy.
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  15. Abu Ibrahim al-Khurasani

    Abu Ibrahim al-Khurasani كل ميسر لمـا خلق لـه

    The qadariyyah are majoos of this ummah,
    you know why?
  16. han617

    han617 New Member

    Asalam alaikum,

    Does Allah create our evil actions or do we create our own evil actions?
  17. allaah created all our actions.
  18. han617

    han617 New Member

  19. ibn taymiyyah (rh)
    ibn abdul wahhab (rh)
    al albaani (rh)
  20. Umm Ahmed

    Umm Ahmed 2C oursels as ithers C us

    Allah tells us He is Pure, Loving, and absolutely Just in every respect. He says He is the Best of Judges. He also tells us the life we are in here is a test. He has created everything existing and He created whatever happens as well. There is nothing in this existence except what He has created.
    He allows sickness, disease, death and even oppression so we can all be tested in what we do.

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