You're NOT Salafi, Sufi, or Khariji - you're a Sunni Muslim

Discussion in 'Islamic Theology and Ideology' started by Mu'awiya, Jun 17, 2012.

  1. Mu'awiya

    Mu'awiya New Member

    asalaamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakaatuh

    You're a Sunni Muslim who tries to follow the way of the Salaf (earliest generation of Muslims) in the best way possible. You can ask any trustworthy 'Aalim a question and follow what he says. Once you become a student of knowledge, you need to study under 1 madhab, then master it until you become a master of that madhab, then you can study another madhab if you want to etc.

    You are not arrogant, and you hope to be sincere to Allah and to cling onto Him, hoping for Him and His reward and fearing His punishment and a bad ending..

    You are a slave of Allah, respecting His Messenger in the best of ways, and never making fun of the Messenger, nor any of the scholars in our past or present history.

    You do not say anything evil about anyone unless you are forbidding an evil, and then you forbid it in the nicest of ways.

    You are a slave of Allah, so seek closeness to Him.. that is your main aim in life, so make du'a to Him always - short term (i.e. Allah plz make my day happy) and long term duas (Allah give me a beautiful return to you). That way you know your duas are being answered. Then you will be happy with Allah, and He will be happy with you.

    If you agree with this, then pass it onto other Muslims you know. It's about time the ummah united in something beneficial after all these years of worthless debates.
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  2. AbuMubarak

    AbuMubarak Well-Known Member

    i dont even call myself a sunni muslim

    Just Muslim
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  3. Mu'awiya

    Mu'awiya New Member

    asalaamu alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakaatuh

    There is a war between the people of Sunnah (Sunnis) and Shi'ah (an ideology which opposes the Sunnah and is committing war crimes on Syrian Sunnis and Sunnis of other lands). So this differentiation needs to be made clear.
  4. -Hussain-

    -Hussain- Well-Known Member

  5. Abdullah11

    Abdullah11 A wannabe neologist

    Teach people beneficial ilm and they will understand this.
  6. أبو عمر

    أبو عمر عاشق الشهادة

    I agree with you brother Mu'awiya, I came from a war torn country, and i saw and lived the war on Sunnis by the Shiites, where a name given to you by your parents, such as Omar, 'Uthman or Mu'awiya can get you killed.

    Baraka Allah bika akhi for this post, can i use it on my FB?
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  7. abul hafsa

    abul hafsa formerly 'dragon'

    I suppose this is ok if we consider the Rafidha as a group to be kuffar (not talking about Zaydis here). Otherwise, if we describe ourselves as Sunni Muslim, it implies there is such a thing as "Shiah" Muslims and this does not sit comfortably with me. Unless an individual shi'ee comes out and makes explicit baraa from shirk and the cursing of our mothers, I will assume him to be kaafir, same way as I will assume a born and bred Qadiyani to be kaafir unless he comes and makes baraa from Qadiyani falsehood.

    Also the situation determines whether we mention Shia/Sunni at all or not. I remember having a conversation on a train with a non-Muslim who seemed pretty ignorant. So when he casually mentioned Shia vs Sunni, I sidestepped it because I wanted to focus on making da'wah and not get bogged down about groups and sects.

    But on the other hand, if some kaafir has been put off Islam because he/she saw pictures of Ahsoora "festivities" from Iraq, then it becomes necessary to draw a line between them and us, or else the kaafir continues to think that self flagellation is an acceptable part of Islam.

    All comes down to subtlety in the end, because when making da'wah, we really don't want the kaafir to think Islam is a minefield with many different sects and it will be impossible to know which is right, so why bother? We really need to get across the message that it is not like that! The beliefs of Islaam are pure and simple and every deviant group has only ever complicated the belief system.

    Another argument that may be useful if an 'educated' kaafir questions the existence of sects of Islaam, is to make the point that the existence of offshoots is inevitable and is not a problem with Islaam itself. Rather, humanity has always corrupted the universal message of God, so in fact Christianity and Judaism are also deviant offshoots, because all Prophets came with the same message and subsequent generations changed it to form different religions. Yet the original message has been preserved in the Quran for eternity, so humanity will now always have something to return to and God has not left us wandering in a forest of deviant offshoots.

    Jazakallah khayr bro Mu'awiya for creating this thread.

    Da'wah is such a challenge. May Allaah guide and help us all.
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  8. Mu'awiya

    Mu'awiya New Member

    asalaamu alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh

    please do.. as much as you can.
  9. AbuMubarak

    AbuMubarak Well-Known Member

    i have heard this argument for years

    but i am sufficed with the name that Allah has given us, and what others do does not negate the name that Allah has given us

    this is the exact reason why there are salafi muslims today, because of letting other people's problems become the problems of the ummah

    there is one islam, hence, there is one muslim

    if there are deviations amongst muslims, that does not change islam, and by adding names, you give credibility to their position

    you are either muslim or you are not, if shia are muslim, then thats what they are, if they are not muslim, then they are not, i am not changing my name because of the issues of others
  10. Abdul Malik

    Abdul Malik New Member

    Ibn Abbass said is reported to said in his tafseer of "Some faces that day will be bright" and make difference between Ahlu Sunnah and Ahlul Bid'ah
  11. Wild Wild West

    Wild Wild West لا تعتذر اليوم

    I agree with Muawiya.

    I would add this: To me, it does not matter what you call yourself, what matters is the principles that it boils down to.

    Therefore, if someone wants to call themselves salafi, ahlus-sunnah, sunni, then that is fine, but what is more important is that they follow the guidelines that Islam has set.

    The problem is when people give themselves titles and then when they act in contradiction to that (which we all do), they get indignant and take it as an attack on Islam - whereas it may well be an attack on them only or their group.
  12. Abdullah11

    Abdullah11 A wannabe neologist

    Where did he (ra) say that?
  13. Abdul Malik

    Abdul Malik New Member

  14. خالد

    خالد New Member

    On the Day of Judgement this would be very clear as Allah says,

    "And on the Day of Resurrection you will see those who lied against Allah their faces will be black. Is there not in Hell an abode for the arrogant ones?" (Surah Zumar, 39:60)

    He also said:

    "On the Day when some faces will become white and some faces will become black; as for those whose faces will become dark (to them will be said): "Did you reject Faith after accepting it? Then taste the torment for rejecting Faith." (Surah 'Ali Imran, 3:106)

    Ibn Abbas and others have said regarding this verse,

    'The bright faces will be ahlus-sunnah, and dark faces will be the people of bid'ah and division.' 'Al-Jawab As-Sahih' (Vol.4, pg. 306-307)
  15. Wild Wild West

    Wild Wild West لا تعتذر اليوم

    I wonder what division means here - is not those from deviant sects, or those who cause division and disunity among the Muslims (like sectarian people do). Either way, we should take this very seriously. Sometimes we unknowingly cause division by obligating or giving priority to things that the sharia does not require us to, or we are lax in areas that the sharia does not allow us to be lax in.
  16. Black Turban

    Black Turban New Member

    Sunnis and shias are no different. They are both deviant sects. They both can kill each other and meet in hell fire. Allah has condemned all sects and the prophet has no relations to any sunni or shia. He is free from them and he is not their prophet. Prophet did not bring sunnism or shiasm or whatever. He brought Islam and neither of the two are from Islam. Allah said in al-anam Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, are not with them in anything. Their affair is only to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do.
  17. Aboo Muhammad

    Aboo Muhammad إلى متى .. إلى متى؟

    Every once in a while we get people who spew the craziest of things.
  18. خالد

    خالد New Member

    You performed takfir on me in this thread. And now you're calling Ahlus Sunnah a deviant sect. Well done.

    One sect will go to heaven:

    "The Jews split into seventy-one sects, all of which are in Hellfire except one; the Christians split into seventy-two sects, all of which are in Hellfire except one; and this Ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of which are in Hellfire except one." Source


    A question. Will Ahlus Sunnah eventually go to heaven after burning in Hell?
  19. al-Qanun

    al-Qanun أمريكي

    ok, just keep in mind that many of those who call themselves Ahlus-sunnah are in fact deviants. i have met many sunnis who have very strange beliefs and some are no different than the shi'ah so it can be a little confusing at times. majority of Ahlus-sunnah, at least ones i know, claim you must limit yourself to one of the four legal schools of thought by making taqlid. furthermore they claim you must accept one of the two schools of kalam, Ash'ari or Maturidi. then you have the salafis who also claim Ahlus-sunnah and some might say they are deviants as well.

    now, i believe that the true Ahlus-sunnah wal Jama'ah were the sahabah. anyone else who came after them then only Allah knows if they were truly upon the sunnah and this means in words, deeds and intentions. as for all those who claim to be Ahlus-sunnah then that claim is not enough rather they should say we hope to be counted among the Ahlus-sunnah. anyone who has iman equivalent to the weight of an atom will eventually enter paradise whether they were from Ahlus-sunnah or not is irrelevant, so long as they died with iman and were not upon shirk.
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2012
  20. خالد

    خالد New Member

    I know that, akhi. I was just curious how Black Turban would respond.
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